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Я честно вот кроме различных sub-commission ничего в пункте 5 не нашел ( а может не понал? :( ). И потом разве не из за Решения Верховного суда сыр-бор? |
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5. The Constitutional Court of RA also finds that the provisions of the Protocol on Development of Relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey cannot be interpreted or applied in the legislative process and application practice of the Republic of Armenia as well as in the interstate relations in a way that would contradict the provisions of the Preamble to the RA Constitution and the requirements of Paragraph 11of the Declaration of Independence of Armenia. Теперь смотри преамбулу в конституции - она тоже отсылает к декларации о независимости: The Armenian People, Recognizing as a basis the fundamental principles of the Armenian statehood and national aspirations engraved in the Declaration of Independence of Armenia, Having fulfilled the sacred message of its freedom loving ancestors for the restoration of the sovereign state, committed to the strengthening and prosperity of the fatherland, to ensure the freedom, general well being and civic harmony of future generations, declaring their faithfulness to universal values, Hereby adopts the Constitution of the Republic of Armenia. http://www.president.am/library/constitution/eng/ И, наконец, параграф 11 самой декларации: 11, The Republic of Armenia stands in support of the task of achieving international recognition of the 1915 Genocide in Ottoman Turkey and Western Armenia. http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/htms/doi.html Суд фактически запретил властям принимать совместно с турками какие-либо решения, которые бы меняли суть этого параграфа. |
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Президент Армении внес предложил парламент внести поправку в закон Армении о международных договорах, котора предусматривает отзыв подписи.
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Запись, если хватит терпения, там больше 2-х часов, можно послушать здесь: The Prospects for Armenia-Turkey Normalization: The View from Yerevan. Кстати, отвечая на вопрос сотрудника нашего посольства в Вашингтоне (не разобрал его имя), Виген еще раз подтвердил, что Серж Саргсян никогда не рассматривал оккупированные территрии вокруг Карабаха как армянские, и готов их вернуть когда решение конфликта будет найдено. |
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Кинза, Вы наверняка знаете, что говорят армяне по этому поводу. Может Вы временно возьмете на себя роль оппонента? |
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Временно! :lol: P.S. Не беспокойтесь thundergirl ханум Сейчас подумаю и выставлю. :) |
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К тому же, не осмотрительно с Вашей стороны. Их даже временно нельзя оставлять без присмотра. |
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Ну, хотя бы, не будем повторять прошлые ошибки. Как Вы считаете, Кинза, сможем? |
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Я человек незлобивый и вполне удовлетворюсь мирным, естественным процессом возратa Карабаха. Вот когда там будет жить 51% азербайджанцев, то можно со спокойной душой купить еще маленький домик за $44 миллиона где нибудь в Чили. :) |
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Российский военный эксперт: «Существует реальная угроза возобновления войны между Арменией и Азербайджаном» 03-10 16:12 БАКУ, 10 мар - 1NEWS.AZ Существует реальная угроза возобновления войны между Арменией и Азербайджаном, заявил российский военный эксперт Павел Фельгенгауэр. Как передает 1news.az, об этом Фельгенгауэр сказал в интервью армянской службе радиостанции «Свобода». «Сегодня существует серьезная угроза дестабилизации ситуации. До этого ни в Баку, ни в Ереване не желали обострения ситуации. Сегодня же все изменилось. Администрация Алиева поставила перед собой серьезную задачу, для достижения которой она может пойти на риск и вновь начать военные действия. Азербайджан может пойти на такой шаг даже в том случае, если военные действия будут иметь неблагоприятный для него ход. Цель такого шага со стороны Азербайджана не в том, чтобы вернуть Нагорный Карабах, а чтобы предотвратить ратификацию армяно-турецких протоколов»,— отметил аналитик. По мнению Фельгенгауэра, сегодня карабахский конфликт уже нельзя называть замороженным. «Ситуация вышла из замороженного состояния, и может произойти все, что угодно»,- заметил он. |
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А можно посмотреть или прочитать само интервью? Я его на сайте радио Свобода не нашел. |
Вчерашнее выступление Ильгара Мамедова в Ереване:
Two and half years ago I was here in Irevan speaking about South Caucasus without borders. Unfortunately, since then we have even more borders, and they have become even more solid. Even more armed and hostile people stand on each side of those borders. It seems that despite ongoing bilateral military and technical cooperation between our countries on the one hand, and NATO and EU on the other, and despite our varying contributions to the coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan, the importance of Euro-Atlantic dimension has shrunk. Bureaucratic work put political vision in the shadow of technicalities. Instead, Russia’s attempts to regain influence tend to succeed more in the region. NATO is risking to lose ground not only because of the dry bureaucrats, but because of policy mistakes as well. NATO as such, as well as its individual members, such as United States, always say they want to keep balance in US military assistance and military cooperation with Azerbaijan and Armenia. On the other hand though, the Collective Security Treaty Organization is not looking for a balance. Its officials at times are very outspoken on what they intend to do in case Azerbaijan exercises its lawful right to restore territorial integrity by force. What kind of drive for Euro-Atlantic integration such a pseudo-balance can create in Baku? Obviously none. As a result we see official Baku engaging with Russia more in the search for conflict resolution. What I think about the Euro-Atlantic prospects of Azerbaijan, I have stated in numerous speeches and writings in my home country. Azerbaijan should align itself with the long-standing community of western democracies in tackling global and regional challenges. Here in Irevan though, I would like to focus on what kind of neighbor we need west of us in order to go the same way together. Indeed, we would be much more successful if we help each other in integrating our nations to the current European governance tradition and the Atlantic security mechanism. In that respect, Azerbaijan’s genuine interest is to live in peace side-by-side with independent, prosperous, secure Republic of Armenia so that we could assist each other in overcoming Soviet legacies of our existence. Let me start with the first definition - independence. Currently, Armenia’s independence is undermined by overwhelming Russian economic, military, and political presence. When we make this point to our Armenian colleagues, we often hear a defensive argument, about Europe being the key economic partner to Armenia. But, let us be fair to the facts. Because of its global weight, Europe is the key economic partner to practically all countries of our region. Russian ownership over major sectors of the Armenian economy is a matter of real concern. It is hard to understand sometimes what stands more behind this very limited independence of our neighbor. Does independence has little value in the mainstream Armenian approach to the statehood? Or simply Armenia is not able to effectively resist the dictate from Kremlin? Or may be circumstances developed by the territorial claims against Azerbaijan jeopardize Armenia’s choices? It is not our mission to suggest ways toward independence in foreign and domestic policy to a different state. Armenian people must know the best answer to the pursuit of that goal, if such exists. Second, Azerbaijan needs prosperous Armenia. Yes, indeed, everybody wants to live a prosperous neighborhood. However, the continued occupation of our lands makes impossible for Azerbaijan to share its growing wealth with the neighbor. In twenty years since ceasefire, by the year 2014 Azerbaijan’s economic reality will be so dramatically different from Armenia’s that no international assistance will be able to fill the gap. Even now foreign donors cannot accomplish that task. The disproportion, imbalance in such long-term distribution of wealth represents a true path to renewed conflict, and certainly changes the balance in the complex game around South Caucasus. History always has its ironies. One of its ironies relates to the issue of prosperity. When Kremlin instigated the ongoing conflict in the late 1980s by expelling Azerbaijanis from Zangezur in the end of 1987, one of the pretended reasons for secession of Karabakh was that the autonomous part of Azerbaijan was less prosperous than the other provinces. This was totally fake argument then, but it becomes reality now. This is a true historic irony which the Armenian public opinion must give a proper thought. To go the road of Euro-Atlantic integration together, Azerbaijan needs secure Armenia. However, tension on the frontline will only grow as our lands are under the occupation, and as economic inequality grows between our countries. “No sense of security to Armenia” will remain a driving principle of Azerbaijan’s diplomacy under any government - as long as the occupation continues. It is a mistaken view that rapprochement only between Ankara and Irevan will immediately provide greater sense of security to Armenia. Well, it may contribute to the lessening need for the Russian military base, and for Armenia’s membership in the anti-Euro-Atlantic CSTO. However, without progress at the Karabakh talks no substantial improvement in the security status of Armenia is possible. Hense, the deeper is the deadlock at Karabakh talks, and more creative is the Armenian Constitutional Court or any other authority in setting formal preconditions to the Munich protocols, the stronger is the rationale behind Russian military presence in this country. Finally. We need Republic of Armenia where republicanism does not lose real political struggle to an agreement between clans. When I say that Azerbaijan needs independent, prosperous, secure Republic of Armenia to go hand in hand toward the goal of Euro-Atlantic integration, I mean not the absolute compliance with these criteria, but the beginning of a process that will make our neighbor a trustworthy partner beyond control of our common former metropolis. http://ilgarmammadov.livejournal.com/358746.html |
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